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Kelly Ford MacqHBO WestworldLast updated 2 years ago

More proof that Logan is really the Man in Black?

So has nobody noticed the faint scar on the MiB's left cheek which just happens to be where Dolores slashed Logan in episode 9? Also, Logan was the one who cut Dolores open to reveal her mechanical insides. Even though William says he finally understands how to play the game in the end, he kills and dismembers the soldiers in the camp only after Logan slices Dolores open. I know their coloring off, with Logan having dark hair and brown eyes and MiB having light hair and blue eyes. That's been one of my biggest sticking points, but I just don't quite buy that William is really MiB.

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I actually think that MiB was trying to induce trauma to make Dolores come "alive" in those scenes, similar to what happened to Maeve when he killed Maeve's child. He fell in love with her when he was William and is trying to induce that part of her to come alive again.

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Bryan Pratico2y

At some point Dolores rejects William, as she lumps him in with Logan in particular( and hosts in general) in episode 9. MiB is married to Logan's sister?

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Also, William so far believes that Dolores has become fully human whereas the Man in Black said he only recognized their humanity after killing Maeve and her daughter. Which, if we are to beli...

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Rohan KapurHBO WestworldLast updated 2 years ago

Thoughts on this theory? (Westworld is a trap)

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Prabhav JainCo-founder, Commonlo… · 2y

This is definitely a super interesting theory and could be part of the larger project that Delos is interested in! However it didn't seem like Ford was very confident in the consciousness of t...

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Anant JainCo-Founder, Commonlo… · 2y

Highly possible in my opinion! In fact, after Episode 7 where we see Bernard kill Theresa, and a new host is being printed in the basement, Ramanan Kanakaratnam pointed this out. See his reply here: Reply to Season 1 Episode 7: Trompe L'Oeil.

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Ryan KalsbeekHBO WestworldLast updated 2 years ago

Connection Between Wyatt (Ford's creation) and MiB's quest (revolving around Arnold)

The Man in Black is looking for the final piece of "the puzzle" (some quest that originated with Arnold) and after talking to the little girl in Las Mudas he winds up at the blood arroya with Armistice (snake lady). He then thinks the reasoning behind her tattoo is the next clue he needs. Armistice later tells him the story behind her tattoo has to do with Wyatt.

My question is this: Didn't Ford just recently create the Wyatt narrative in response to giving Teddy a good backstory and ultimately assisting him in keeping Dolores in her loop? How does the MiB’s quest revolving around Arnold (whose been dead for decades now) get connected to a recent addition to the park by Ford??

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Any story that's told by a host is inherently unreliable. Their memories update retroactively. Like the scene when Ford updates Teddy with the Wyatt storyline - he goes from "Never heard of hi...

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Keshav DhandhaniaBSc, MSc 2014 @ MIT … · 2y

I don't think that we are seeing all the events in the correct order. We don't know exactly how Ford's narrative changes with Wyatt fits into MIB's current visit. Ford did tell Teddy that the Wyatt story was based in truth - he also mentioned that Wyatt

disappeared for a few weeks

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Jesika H Haria2y

Wyatt may be a decommissioned host that Ford is bringing back into the narrative. Teddy mentions that he had 'strange ideas and then disappeared for a few weeks', so could have just come back as a different character, but bearing the same secrets.

Another possibility is that Ford has now realized th...

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Ramanan KanakaratnamHBO WestworldLast updated 2 years ago

MIB == Logan

Guys don't you think Logan is MIB? My theory is as follows:

William says to Delores in the train that he had discovered himself and something along the lines of him belonging here in WW to be able to freely express himself than out in the real world.

So what I believed happened is he went along with Delores on the quest to the maze and eventually transcended into system. I believe the maze is where you AI and human consciousness transcend and become one.

Then something happens (maybe the catastrophic incident) which resulted in Delores not being able to join William in the maze.

Logan probably got away from his sticky situation where he got captured and realizes that he had lost William for good and been coming in to the park for 30 odd years to figure out / he decided to buy out the park. He later on figures out about the maze and is on a quest to find out what made William take such a decision.

Let me know.

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Prabhav JainHBO WestworldLast updated 2 years ago

Non-linear timeline clues: Can of Milk, Wanted Posters...

There are some interesting clues regarding non-linear timelines: in Episode 2 when William picks up the can of milk, its the one on the right but in Episodes 1 and 3, when the MIB/Teddy pick up the can of milk, its the one of the left. Notice how they're slightly different.

This could just be a production error or maybe it's meant to give us some clue that William / MIB are in different or non-linear timelines.

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Prabhav JainCo-founder, Commonlo… · 2y

It's soooo amazing how many things you called absolutely correctly!! Now I wonder if you can predict the maze / season finale :).

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I was looking back at this post, now that almost everything has been revealed... I'm actually blown away by how close (I'm being modest - how ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE) I was. And thank you again fo...

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Regarding William though, I'm beginning to think he's going to die. I think the man in Black may be related, but not actually him.

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Wilson TorresHBO WestworldLast updated 2 years ago

Timeline

I don't think the timeline makes sense.

In theory Dolores went all Wyatt just before opening the park, causing so much damage to the hosts (and designer team) that they only could open thanks to a benefactor who bankrolled them. That's supposed to be William/Man in Black.

However, William/MIB would only have had the disposition and resources to bankroll the park after some time. And he only went for the first time at the behest of his soon-to-be brother in law, who had already gone many times himself (he was quite familiar with what quests would be too vanilla/boring for him).

Am I missing something?

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Sukhbir Sekhon2y

I agree there is a discrepancy there. I cannot see how Dr ford and Arnold set up westworld in the first place unless they were independently wealthy.

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